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Old 09-18-2013, 04:15 PM   #76
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Honestly I never put thought into this concept and am not fully certain what to make of it. Thinking about it now it does seem like something of a flaw because it doesn't seem right that Ziggy would withhold information however there is a suggestive moment in The Leap Back. When she interrupts Sam and Donna during making out to announce that she has a theory on Al's leap and then goes silent until Sam prompts her to continue. This suggests that she does at times need persuading to talk.
I also don't think Ziggy withhold info ( I mean if she's ever capable of doing that ) but Leap Back Ziggy seemed to be so..well arrogant might I say (lol,I don't know if it is right to apply this term in this case)
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Since I was attempting once again to watch M.I.A for my screen capture collection I realized how ironic Sam's leap into this episode is in relation to the date being April Fools.

"No, no, no, no! Not high heels, not a woman again!"
GTF: "April Fools! You're an undercover cop!"

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I was giffing this episode other day and I noticed I still don't understand the part Sam says "You know the rules,Al." I mean he basically changed the history (as he always does) with his brother in season 3.So why he can't change it for Al? Is it because without Al,there will be no QL project or what?
(Btw,I am still watching season 4.Are they going to answer this in upcoming episodes?)
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I noticed I still don't understand the part Sam says "You know the rules,Al." I mean he basically changed the history (as he always does) with his brother in season 3.So why he can't change it for Al?
Sam has a double-standard when it comes to the rules and changing their own lives. It's only okay when it's for himself, which he pretty much admits in 'The Leap Home' the first part, which comes right after this episode. But even before this leap, in Season 1 he also changed his own history with Donna, even though Al told him it was against the rules. He was absolutely right when he told Al that he should have been truthful with him about who Beth was. And I think he was also right that he wasn't necessarily there to fix things for Al and Beth. Sam Beckett Fan articulated very well why it really wouldn't have worked -- it would've been a stretch for Beth to believe that the leapee Jake could possibly know that Al was alive. In fact it might have just upset her more. Likewise, Sam couldn't tell her who he really was or about the project. But as soon as he said "Al, you know the rules. We can't change our own lives" he was being a hypocrite.
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He was absolutely right when he told Al that he should have been truthful with him about who Beth was. And I think he was also right that he wasn't necessarily there to fix things for Al and Beth.
I agree on that.I mean Al simply --let's say--misguided Sam in whole episode when Sam was actually there for saving his partner's life.Of course Al's intention was to unite with the love of his life not to harm anybody as he admits to Sam but still that police could have died if Sam hadn't seen Al's photo at Beth's place.
Ughh and Donna.Man,he really shouldn't have done that I feel sad for her whenever I remember the last frame of the show.
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Ughh and Donna.Man,he really shouldn't have done that I feel sad for her whenever I remember the last frame of the show.
Yeah, the whole Donna thing really leaves a bad taste. She's supposedly the love of Sam's life and he changed things when he wasn't supposed to in order to have her back in his life. Then he just abandons her. Twice.
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I have already expressed my also disgruntled feelings about the hypocrisy of the statement "You know the rules Al, we can't change our own lives."
Though he vowed not to reveal Donna I believe Al still could have thrown the attempt in his face. Personally I would have liked to see that.

As I've already covered Al is partially at fault however for not being straightforward about his intentions. Something Sam has always been regarding his both personal and I believe the word 'occupational' is fitting enough. Had he explained to Sam straight away what he wanted to attempt perhaps Sam could have possibly accomplished both tasks as well as even had more sympathy towards the situation.

Again I am repeating myself but I'd also like to remind the participants here that Sam's protest hadn't only been about the rules. He also felt that Beth's run ins with Dirk were too coincidental, it seemed more to him like it was supposed to happen. Somewhat like when he found out that Tess never would have married Doc in How the Tess Was Won, that it was always meant to be the one who wrote her love letters.

It had yet to be discovered that it wasn't the case with Beth but there are some things, even those which are cruel, that just can't be changed. Sam learns this in the proceeding leap about his father's coronary and his sister's abusive marriage.

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Yeah, the whole Donna thing really leaves a bad taste. She's supposedly the love of Sam's life and he changed things when he wasn't supposed to in order to have her back in his life. Then he just abandons her. Twice.
Let's be somewhat fairer here. The Sam who put her back into a life he had no idea if he'd ever return to was indeed selfish but the Sam that built the project while married to Donna just as the one who built it without her had no idea he would get stuck out there. Let's not forget Al's humorous phrasing that was used in Sam's personal intros during the first season:
"You were a part of a top secret science experiment that went a little caca".
In addition the second abandonment was for Al's life. Far more justified than simply proving that the accelerator worked.
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I have already expressed my also disgruntled feelings about the hypocrisy of the statement "You know the rules Al, we can't change our own lives."
Though he vowed not to reveal Donna I believe Al still could have thrown the attempt in his face. Personally I would have liked to see that.

As I've already covered Al is partially at fault however for not being straightforward about his intentions. Something Sam has always been regarding his both personal and I believe the word 'occupational' is fitting enough. Had he explained to Sam straight away what he wanted to attempt perhaps Sam could have possibly accomplished both tasks as well as even had more sympathy towards the situation.

Again I am repeating myself but I'd also like to remind the participants here that Sam's protest hadn't only been about the rules. He also felt that Beth's run ins with Dirk were too coincidental, it seemed more to him like it was supposed to happen. Somewhat like when he found out that Tess never would have married Doc in How the Tess Was Won, that it was always meant to be the one who wrote her love letters.
The statement is still hypocritical though, regardless of whether Sam had other reasons to protest changing Al's life or whether he thought Beth and Dirk were meant to be. Whenever Sam wanted to change something for himself he said 'screw the rules' but here he turned around and threw those same rules in Al's face.

I'm not suggesting that Al wasn't in the wrong. In fact I said that Sam was right to call him out on the fact that he wasn't honest with him about who Beth was. Al let his own personal issues get in the way of accomplishing the mission and it could've cost at least one person their life. And I'm not convinced that Sam was supposed to fix Al and Beth, at least at this point. Sam was still being a hypocrite as soon as those words were out of his mouth.

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Let's be somewhat fairer here. The Sam who put her back into a life he had no idea if he'd ever return to was indeed selfish but the Sam that built the project while married to Donna just as the one who built it without her had no idea he would get stuck out there.
Well, we don't actually know the circumstances of Sam's first leap in the changed timeline where he was married to Donna. We do know from 'The Leap Back' that the retrieval program didn't work when Sam leaped -- whether they knew it didn't work before he leaped or discovered it afterward is impossible to say. We also know from 'Genesis' that at least in the first timeline Sam did leap prematurely, knowing the project wasn't ready yet. We don't know whether that was the case in the second timeline. And maybe he discussed the decision with Donna first. Maybe he didn't. Judging by the way he behaved to her in 'The Leap Back' once he'd decided to leap to save Al -- and again, this is in big part a flaw of too much being packed into just one episode -- it wouldn't surprise me if Sam just rushed headlong and didn't consult with her about it. In 'The Leap Back' when he was getting ready to leap again he didn't even say a word to her until she asked "Sam, what are you doing?" Granted he was rushing to save Al and time was limited, but still -- he really seemed like he was brushing her off [and again, I think this is an unfortunate effect of the rushedness of the episode].

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In addition the second abandonment was for Al's life. Far more justified than simply proving that the accelerator worked.
In my opinion it still goes back to Sam tampering with her life in the first place. Also, as far as we know at the end of the last episode that second abandonment is permanent and by Sam's choice.
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The statement is still hypocritical though, regardless of whether Sam had other reasons to protest changing Al's life or whether he thought Beth and Dirk were meant to be. Whenever Sam wanted to change something for himself he said 'screw the rules' but here he turned around and threw those same rules in Al's face.

I'm not suggesting that Al wasn't in the wrong. In fact I said that Sam was right to call him out on the fact that he wasn't honest with him about who Beth was. Al let his own personal issues get in the way of accomplishing the mission and it could've cost at least one person their life. And I'm not convinced that Sam was supposed to fix Al and Beth, at least at this point. Sam was still being a hypocrite as soon as those words were out of his mouth.
My apologies for misleading, I was not arguing the hypocrisy. Nothing changes the fact that it was. What I intended to express was that that whether or not Sam was willing didn't matter. The way Al conducted it was most of the reason if not THE reason it didn't work.

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Well, we don't actually know the circumstances of Sam's first leap in the changed timeline where he was married to Donna. We do know from 'The Leap Back' that the retrieval program didn't work when Sam leaped -- whether they knew it didn't work before he leaped or discovered it afterward is impossible to say. We also know from 'Genesis' that at least in the first timeline Sam did leap prematurely, knowing the project wasn't ready yet. We don't know whether that was the case in the second timeline. And maybe he discussed the decision with Donna first. Maybe he didn't. Judging by the way he behaved to her in 'The Leap Back' once he'd decided to leap to save Al -- and again, this is in big part a flaw of too much being packed into just one episode -- it wouldn't surprise me if Sam just rushed headlong and didn't consult with her about it. In 'The Leap Back' when he was getting ready to leap again he didn't even say a word to her until she asked "Sam, what are you doing?" Granted he was rushing to save Al and time was limited, but still -- he really seemed like he was brushing her off [and again, I think this is an unfortunate effect of the rushedness of the episode].
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Also, as far as we know at the end of the last episode that second abandonment is permanent and by Sam's choice.
Personally I don't want to buy this, that Sam never returned home. It's not just about Donna. He has a mother a sister and by his own actions a brother and from them nieces and nephews. He has a staff who have basically given their lives to finding a way to bring him home. Would he truly just throw that away? Spit in the face of all those staff members (so to speak)?
There is no reason at that point why he couldn't have returned between leaps.
Such a bogus ending that as Donna does you leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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The way Al conducted it was most of the reason if not THE reason it didn't work.
I'm not sure if I agree with this part completely. It's possible that if Al was truthful with Sam right from the start it would've worked. But I really think the circumstances weren't right for it in this leap. Beth would've been very suspicious as to how the leapee knew about Al and I don't know that Sam could've or would've told her who he really was at this point. Short of continuing to physically keep Beth and Dirk away from each other there really wasn't anything that he could plausibly do as Jake without giving himself away. If his purpose here was to fix Al's marriage he would've had to leap into Beth, or Dirk, or maybe one of their friends, in order to nudge one of them into a different decision. But he leaped into someone who had no relation to either of them. He just happened to be in the same vicinity and Al made an assumption and tried to force it to be that. Which is easy to understand and we sympathize with him. The Donna leap was the same -- Sam was there for something else and Donna happened to be in the vicinity. The circumstances happened to just be easier for Sam to do both. But I don't think he was there for Donna. He didn't leap out until Jamie Lee and Oliver kissed -- that was his purpose for being there.

There's also the question of why Al didn't trust Sam enough to tell him the truth. Maybe he hated the idea of being that vulnerable with Sam. Or maybe he'd already dealt a lot pre-leap with Sam's 'do as I say not as I do' type of double standard and figured it would be the same this time -- which wouldn't be completely fair of him but people react based on experience. We don't know much about their friendship before Sam's leap but I would imagine at least certain dynamics were the same or similar.

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Personally I don't want to buy this, that Sam never returned home. It's not just about Donna. He has a mother a sister and by his own actions a brother and from them nieces and nephews. He has a staff who have basically given their lives to finding a way to bring him home. Would he truly just throw that away? Spit in the face of all those staff members (so to speak)?
There is no reason at that point why he couldn't have returned between leaps.
Such a bogus ending that as Donna does you leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Agreed completely. I was just going by things as they stood as the final episode ended.
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I'm not sure if I agree with this part completely. It's possible that if Al was truthful with Sam right from the start it would've worked. But I really think the circumstances weren't right for it in this leap. Beth would've been very suspicious as to how the leapee knew about Al and I don't know that Sam could've or would've told her who he really was at this point. Short of continuing to physically keep Beth and Dirk away from each other there really wasn't anything that he could plausibly do as Jake without giving himself away. If his purpose here was to fix Al's marriage he would've had to leap into Beth, or Dirk, or maybe one of their friends, in order to nudge one of them into a different decision. But he leaped into someone who had no relation to either of them. He just happened to be in the same vicinity and Al made an assumption and tried to force it to be that. Which is easy to understand and we sympathize with him. The Donna leap was the same -- Sam was there for something else and Donna happened to be in the vicinity. The circumstances happened to just be easier for Sam to do both. But I don't think he was there for Donna. He didn't leap out until Jamie Lee and Oliver kissed -- that was his purpose for being there.
Agreed absolutely, there' no way the leapee could have been convincing, he had barely gotten away with the calalillies (BTW I love the cleverness of her love for them, Calalily like Calavicci...thats how I look at it anyway). I said that in the beginning and I still stand by it however if Sam had known who she was perhaps his approach could have been slightly more tactful.
BTW I highly recommend the novel Pulitzer. It's an amazingly written leap which happens to occur along side Al just returning home from Vietnam, and actually has Sam rethinking his selfishness.
"Would it really have been so bad to just tell her Al was alive?"
He shows a lot of care for his closest friend in this novel as despite observer Al's warnings not to Sam gets heavily involved with the Lt. Al in the leap.

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There's also the question of why Al didn't trust Sam enough to tell him the truth. Maybe he hated the idea of being that vulnerable with Sam. Or maybe he'd already dealt a lot pre-leap with Sam's 'do as I say not as I do' type of double standard and figured it would be the same this time -- which wouldn't be completely fair of him but people react based on experience. We don't know much about their friendship before Sam's leap but I would imagine at least certain dynamics were the same or similar.
He probably didn't want to appear vulnerable to Sam in addition to being a tightly closed book regarding his family and hardships. My best friend who has quite an amazing handle on Al's character has written some brilliant backstory scenes that express this excellently.

It's also quite possible that he on some level knew that Sam would have a selfish response and not justify the attempt as he did his own with Donna(Though to cut our Sam a little slack it's quite possible he didn't remember the Donna leap, his swiss cheese memory has been clarified as selective). Thus he might not have tried, not that the attempt did much of anything except give Beth a shoulder to cry on when the pain of losing her patient surfaced.

The thought has also intrigued me of Alia actually having leapt into Dirk. I mean "She has a single son and she wants grandchildren"? Come on! That just feels so intentional to me. Plus it would explain the pink sweater...HA! Sorry small joke.

What's beyond me is how Al didn't run other scenarios at the same time. Or as Ladystoneheart has pointed out, how Ziggy didn't offer the Scaggs situation.
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BTW I highly recommend the novel Pulitzer. It's an amazingly written leap which happens to occur along side Al just returning home from Vietnam, and actually has Sam rethinking his selfishness.
"Would it really have been so bad to just tell her Al was alive?"
He shows a lot of care for his closest friend in this novel as despite observer Al's warnings not to Sam gets heavily involved with the Lt. Al in the leap.
I love Pulitzer. It's my favorite of the novels I've read so far.

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It's also quite possible that he on some level knew that Sam would have a selfish response and not justify the attempt as he did his own with Donna(Though to cut our Sam a little slack it's quite possible he didn't remember the Donna leap, his swiss cheese memory has been clarified as selective). Thus he might not have tried, not that the attempt did much of anything except give Beth a shoulder to cry on when the pain of losing her patient surfaced.
Yeah, Al knows his friend very well. He may have already had experience with Sam making exceptions for himself. And yeah, he probably didn't remember the Donna leap but still, in 'The Leap Home' when Al asks "Why is it different? Because it's you this time?" Sam says yes. Whether he remembers the Donna leap or not, Sam definitely feels he's special and entitled to more than everyone else.

But in the end he does make things right and we love him for that.

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What's beyond me is how Al didn't run other scenarios at the same time. Or as Ladystoneheart has pointed out, how Ziggy didn't offer the Scaggs situation.
If I'm not mistaken Ziggy didn't offer information that wasn't asked for. Even in 'The Leap Back' she plays a game with Sam that he has to drag the information out of her.

As for Al, he wanted this leap to be about Beth so he just didn't check any other scenarios.
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If I'm not mistaken Ziggy didn't offer information that wasn't asked for. Even in 'The Leap Back' she plays a game with Sam that he has to drag the information out of her.
Yeah that's what I was saying earlier but Ladystoneheart had me wondering otherwise.

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Yeah, Al knows his friend very well. He may have already had experience with Sam making exceptions for himself. And yeah, he probably didn't remember the Donna leap but still, in 'The Leap Home' when Al asks "Why is it different? Because it's you this time?" Sam says yes. Whether he remembers the Donna leap or not, Sam definitely feels he's special and entitled to more than everyone else.

But in the end he does make things right and we love him for that.
True and the fact that he even remembers the rule when he didn't in Star Crossed is suggestive that he remembers being reminded. The novels express that his leap memories are selective but the show doesn't clarify that. As far as well can tell he retains the memories of his previous leaps and his personal memories only continue to return. The only exceptions being the project specifics like Ziggy's inner workings (something that is clarified in The Leap Back) and of course his marriage to Donna. In fact what memories of the project he does retain might only be that of what Al has told him not actual memories.
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Personally I don't want to buy this, that Sam never returned home. It's not just about Donna. He has a mother a sister and by his own actions a brother and from them nieces and nephews. He has a staff who have basically given their lives to finding a way to bring him home. Would he truly just throw that away? Spit in the face of all those staff members (so to speak)?
There is no reason at that point why he couldn't have returned between leaps.
Such a bogus ending that as Donna does you leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
You can't argue with canon though. If there had been any ambiguity in the statement "Dr Samuel Becket (sic) never returned home", then you could, but there isn't. The ending leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouths, but it can't be argued with.

And to answer your question "would he truly just throw that away?", we have to remember that while Sam is generally a selfless person, Sam has been known to act selfishly, in situations that have been discussed to death already. We also know that he is highly logical, and it's usually the most logical people who are the least emotional.

I think it is well within Sam's character to take a few losses (like his family and his friends) for the greater good...
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We also know that he is highly logical, and it's usually the most logical people who are the least emotional.
But Sam is also quite emotional and tends to even argue logic. The fact that he entertains the GTFW theory tells us that he's not completely logical. That's faith not logic. Which interestingly contradicts his being a man of science, they are not typically believers in God. Science vs. Religion is one of life's biggest rivalries.
He's completely illogical in denying that he has self control over his leaps. Even right in the face of the bartender whom depending on your view of that leap could be himself.
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But Sam is also quite emotional and tends to even argue logic. The fact that he entertains the GTFW theory tells us that he's not completely logical. That's faith not logic. Which interestingly contradicts his being a man of science, they are not typically believers in God. Science vs. Religion is one of life's biggest rivalries.
He's completely illogical in denying that he has self control over his leaps. Even right in the face of the bartender whom depending on your view of that leap could be himself.
I'm not saying that Sam hasn't been known to be emotional or have faith, I'm just saying that if he had to make a choice, he'd follow logic. It's not even him choosing his head over his heart either, as he knew in his heart that he wanted to make the world a better place, he just also knew that he would have to make some sacrifices to do this. Head + Heart > Heart.
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You can't argue with canon though. If there had been any ambiguity in the statement "Dr Samuel Becket (sic) never returned home", then you could, but there isn't. The ending leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouths, but it can't be argued with.
I don't completely agree with this. In fact, I believe DPB in a post-series interview may have said himself that it's a time travel show about changing the past so anything, even that ending, can be thought of as being changeable.

It's also possible that Dr. Samuel Becket never returned home but Dr. Samuel Beckett did.

And some people just say 'screw canon'.
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I don't completely agree with this. In fact, I believe DPB in a post-series interview may have said himself that it's a time travel show about changing the past so anything, even that ending, can be thought of as being changeable.

Exactly, DBP's intention for the show is a kind hearted man who touched lives and changed them for the better. Anything scientific or dealing with the logic of time travel was not given a lot of attention and open for interpretation (a liberty the novels use to death). Ziggy's gender is a direct example of this. 'Another Time, Another Place' tells how he had directly addressed that controversy as something he did not care about.

The logic that Sam's never returning home is just as changeable a fact as Al's marriage to Beth or Tom's death in Vietnam is true at an inarguable level. When you interfere with time EVERYTHING is changeable. Even a detail as small and insignificant as a woman choosing to buy a white blouse instead of an orange one. QL novel author Ashley McConnell writes this to death. In Random Measures she mentions Al noticing that Tina's hair color changes in different timelines. Though I personally think she overdoes it for the purpose of the show she's not wrong. There are areas in which I personally feel she is but not in this one.

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It's also possible that Dr. Samuel Becket never returned home but Dr. Samuel Beckett did.
What the heck? I believe I remember his name was misspelled in those ending comments but...what the heck!?

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And some people just say 'screw canon'
The novels certainly do and they are legally published, the ones that have Sam's soul leaping rather than his body. There is clarification that this is disregard of canon. There is a behind the scenes fact (though I can't remember where I heard it) that for the episode The Color of Truth Scott had inquired with DBP as to whether he needed to practice Jesse Tyler's arthritic limp but was told not to because physically he is Sam.
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What the heck? I believe I remember his name was misspelled in those ending comments but...what the heck!?
It was definitely misspelled. I don't know whose fault that was. Probably someone at NBC. I doubt DPB spelled it wrong.
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It was definitely misspelled. I don't know whose fault that was. Probably someone at NBC. I doubt DPB spelled it wrong.
No doubt there.
Reminds me of Search and Rescue in the novel series. Sam discovers a small article in the corner of a newspaper about himself and his theory and his name is misspelled as 'Becklet'. It was intentional in this case, the article was a symbol of how his theory was scoffed at. It cracked me up though.
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It was definitely misspelled. I don't know whose fault that was. Probably someone at NBC. I doubt DPB spelled it wrong.
Good lord I can't believe they actually did that.
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Something has just come to my attention as I am continuing my MIA screen captures (Thanks to Ladystoneheart for the torrent).
On the way to intercept Beth and Dirk's first encounter Scaggs recites to Sam who insists he 'somehow knows' a happening involving this woman:
"...when she gets a flat tire in the marina and some lawyer fixes it?"
How could Al have possibly gotten that information or that they even met on that date from Ziggy? When they got married would be on record but why would when and how they met be?
Contrary to the novel Pulitzer did Beth perhaps agree to meet with him once when he returned? I can see where the author wouldn't think so, you don't get that feeling from Al. How could Beth have been able to face him after what she did?

On another note, I caught something for the first time. When Sam tells Beth "You've uh...got a little dirt smuge on your nose" if you look closely at his left eye he's still got some of the eyeshadow on from the undercover hooker disguise! LOL! How did Scaggs not catch that!? XD
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Something has just come to my attention as I am continuing my MIA screen captures (Thanks to Ladystoneheart for the torrent).
On the way to intercept Beth and Dirk's first encounter Scaggs recites to Sam who insists he 'somehow knows' a happening involving this woman:
"...when she gets a flat tire in the marina and some lawyer fixes it?"
How could Al have possibly gotten that information or that they even met on that date from Ziggy? When they got married would be on record but why would when and how they met be?
Contrary to the novel Pulitzer did Beth perhaps agree to meet with him once when he returned? I can see where the author wouldn't think so, you don't get that feeling from Al. How could Beth have been able to face him after what she did?

On another note, I caught something for the first time. When Sam tells Beth "You've uh...got a little dirt smuge on your nose" if you look closely at his left eye he's still got some of the eyeshadow on from the undercover hooker disguise! LOL! How did Scaggs not catch that!? XD
This happens numerous times in the series, where Ziggy immediately knows information that could never have been stored in a database. Another such example is "Another Mother", where Ziggy tells Al when the boy teasing the leapee's son will lose his virginity...
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This happens numerous times in the series, where Ziggy immediately knows information that could never have been stored in a database. Another such example is "Another Mother", where Ziggy tells Al when the boy teasing the leapee's son will lose his virginity...
Actually that's probable. Perhaps his first time wasn't 'safe' if you catch my drift thus it could be on his medical record. Now the fact that Al expected Ziggy to know (having actually consulted the handlink for it) is an error.
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I love Pulitzer. It's my favorite of the novels I've read so far.
Are these novels available as epub or pdf somewhere?
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