Season 5 Opening Titles Error

Nick Michalak · 10-07-2008, 01:38 AM

I just started buying up the DVD sets, and purchased season five over a week ago. I noticed that the opening title sequence doesn't match up to Mike Post's revised theme. The music runs for another two or three seconds after the title sequence ends, and the music cues don't match with the editing. I figured out why. I checked the original broadcast of "Killin' Time" (which I have on VHS) as well as some online video sources, and there were a few extra seconds of the "flying through the clouds" footage at the start of the season five opening title sequence which is absent from all the season five episodes on DVD. How could that happen? I can understand an A/V sync problem here or there, but actual missing footage which should be on the original film print of the episode? Maybe they just took one (incomplete) print of the opening titles, and placed it on each episode since the error is consistent throughout the set.

Also, I looked at the original broadcast opening of "Lee Harvey Oswald" that's on this website, and the saga cell has two "leaping" clips switched from what's on the DVD. I believe the final 'leap out' is from "A Single Drop of Rain." Also, in the opening title sequence, the clip from "A Song For The Soul" is different for LHO's original broadcast than the DVD. Easily comparable for anyone who has the S5 DVD set. Just odd that these errors exist since, as I said, you would believe the saga sells & opening title sequences would be on the original film negatives.

I won't get into the "Mirror Image" issue since it's been well discussed on this forum. But yes, I do have the original broadcast of that episode, and the season two title sequence was used there.

These little errors are annoying, and are hard to ignore every time I watch these episodes. Nothing to be done about it, either. Just thought it would be worth sharing.

-NJM

jassian · 10-18-2008, 05:50 PM

Well, there's still hope that some things will be fixed by the time blu-ray becomes popular.

It'll probably be an all new menu, in any case.

Maybe they were in a hurry editing it together for the dvd release.
This might have been mentioned before, but did anyone else notice there's subtitles in season 1 but not in the rest? Might be a region thing though, I've got Australia (region 4 I think).

SamBeckett94 · 02-23-2009, 05:05 PM

These little errors are incredibly annoying. I'm getting tired of watching rushed DVD sets. Would it really kill them to do at least a half-decent job?

QL Nut · 02-22-2010, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Michalak

I just started buying up the DVD sets, and purchased season five over a week ago. I noticed that the opening title sequence doesn't match up to Mike Post's revised theme. The music runs for another two or three seconds after the title sequence ends, and the music cues don't match with the editing. I figured out why. I checked the original broadcast of "Killin' Time" (which I have on VHS) as well as some online video sources, and there were a few extra seconds of the "flying through the clouds" footage at the start of the season five opening title sequence which is absent from all the season five episodes on DVD. How could that happen? I can understand an A/V sync problem here or there, but actual missing footage which should be on the original film print of the episode? Maybe they just took one (incomplete) print of the opening titles, and placed it on each episode since the error is consistent throughout the set.

Also, I looked at the original broadcast opening of "Lee Harvey Oswald" that's on this website, and the saga cell has two "leaping" clips switched from what's on the DVD. I believe the final 'leap out' is from "A Single Drop of Rain." Also, in the opening title sequence, the clip from "A Song For The Soul" is different for LHO's original broadcast than the DVD. Easily comparable for anyone who has the S5 DVD set. Just odd that these errors exist since, as I said, you would believe the saga sells & opening title sequences would be on the original film negatives.

The only thing I can figure is that these were one-time modifications made by NBC during the original broadcasts only. For so many years all the syndicated episodes only used Season 4's opening credit sequence so we never noticed changes until the DVDs came.

SherWash · 02-26-2010, 01:49 AM

Not sure if this is the right place for this question, or if it's been addressed previously and I just don't know where to find it.

On the DVDs for seasons 3 & 4 (and maybe 5, can't remember at the moment) the picture shown while we see Scott's name -- what episode is it from??? I've been thru the whole series many times and can name every other picture in the opening credits, but I can't place that one!

feldon30 · 02-26-2010, 09:37 AM

When he does a thumbs-up to the camera?

I always thought it was a throwaway shot built just for the intro.

alsplacebartender · 02-26-2010, 12:56 PM

I think the thumbs up (when it fades to the QL title logo at the end) is from Disco Inferno. There are different versions of the intro - not sure which one we might be talking about.

Nick Michalak · 02-27-2010, 02:33 PM

The shot of Sam leaping out with the thumbs up is definitely from Disco Inferno. The shot of Sam putting the hat on while it says 'Starring Scott Bakula' is, I believe, from "A Single Drop of Rain." At least, the wardrobe is similar to what I remember him wearing in that episode.

-NJM

SherWash · 02-27-2010, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Michalak

The shot of Sam leaping out with the thumbs up is definitely from Disco Inferno. The shot of Sam putting the hat on while it says 'Starring Scott Bakula' is, I believe, from "A Single Drop of Rain." At least, the wardrobe is similar to what I remember him wearing in that episode.

-NJM

I'm not sure the clothes are flashy enough for 'A Single Drop of Rain', and the background doesn't look right. I don't think it's from 'So Help Me God' 'Southern Comforts', or 'Justice' either. I could be wrong! I'm wondering if it was from a scene that got cut and that's why it doesn't look familiar. Tho from what I've read here it sounds like we're not all getting the same version, anyway. I was just hoping someone else could set me straight.

QL Nut · 02-28-2010, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SherWash

I'm not sure the clothes are flashy enough for 'A Single Drop of Rain', and the background doesn't look right. I don't think it's from 'So Help Me God' 'Southern Comforts', or 'Justice' either. I could be wrong! I'm wondering if it was from a scene that got cut and that's why it doesn't look familiar. Tho from what I've read here it sounds like we're not all getting the same version, anyway. I was just hoping someone else could set me straight.

The shot is from "So Help Me God." And as said earlier, the "thumbs up" shot is from "Disco Inferno."

On a side note, one thing I always found interesting is the shot of Sam's leap-in kissing the woman in "Honeymoon Express" is reversed to show him leaping out for the title sequence.

feldon30 · 03-01-2010, 10:55 AM

Chris,

I noticed that right away, that it's being played in reverse.

SherWash · 03-01-2010, 06:08 PM

Thanks. I'll look more carefully next time I watch that episode.

10-07-2008, 01:38 AM	#1
Nick Michalak PQL Visitor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tinley Park, IL Posts: 6	Season 5 Opening Titles Error I just started buying up the DVD sets, and purchased season five over a week ago. I noticed that the opening title sequence doesn't match up to Mike Post's revised theme. The music runs for another two or three seconds after the title sequence ends, and the music cues don't match with the editing. I figured out why. I checked the original broadcast of "Killin' Time" (which I have on VHS) as well as some online video sources, and there were a few extra seconds of the "flying through the clouds" footage at the start of the season five opening title sequence which is absent from all the season five episodes on DVD. How could that happen? I can understand an A/V sync problem here or there, but actual missing footage which should be on the original film print of the episode? Maybe they just took one (incomplete) print of the opening titles, and placed it on each episode since the error is consistent throughout the set. Also, I looked at the original broadcast opening of "Lee Harvey Oswald" that's on this website, and the saga cell has two "leaping" clips switched from what's on the DVD. I believe the final 'leap out' is from "A Single Drop of Rain." Also, in the opening title sequence, the clip from "A Song For The Soul" is different for LHO's original broadcast than the DVD. Easily comparable for anyone who has the S5 DVD set. Just odd that these errors exist since, as I said, you would believe the saga sells & opening title sequences would be on the original film negatives. I won't get into the "Mirror Image" issue since it's been well discussed on this forum. But yes, I do have the original broadcast of that episode, and the season two title sequence was used there. These little errors are annoying, and are hard to ignore every time I watch these episodes. Nothing to be done about it, either. Just thought it would be worth sharing. -NJM __________________

10-18-2008, 05:50 PM	#2
jassian Project Observer Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 925	Well, there's still hope that some things will be fixed by the time blu-ray becomes popular. It'll probably be an all new menu, in any case. Maybe they were in a hurry editing it together for the dvd release. This might have been mentioned before, but did anyone else notice there's subtitles in season 1 but not in the rest? Might be a region thing though, I've got Australia (region 4 I think). __________________

02-23-2009, 05:05 PM	#3
SamBeckett94 Control Room Technician Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 150	These little errors are incredibly annoying. I'm getting tired of watching rushed DVD sets. Would it really kill them to do at least a half-decent job? __________________

02-26-2010, 01:49 AM	#5
SherWash PQL Visitor Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 24	Not sure if this is the right place for this question, or if it's been addressed previously and I just don't know where to find it. On the DVDs for seasons 3 & 4 (and maybe 5, can't remember at the moment) the picture shown while we see Scott's name -- what episode is it from??? I've been thru the whole series many times and can name every other picture in the opening credits, but I can't place that one! __________________

02-26-2010, 09:37 AM	#6
feldon30 Forum Technician Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: SC Posts: 963	When he does a thumbs-up to the camera? I always thought it was a throwaway shot built just for the intro. __________________

02-27-2010, 02:33 PM	#8
Nick Michalak PQL Visitor Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Tinley Park, IL Posts: 6	The shot of Sam leaping out with the thumbs up is definitely from Disco Inferno. The shot of Sam putting the hat on while it says 'Starring Scott Bakula' is, I believe, from "A Single Drop of Rain." At least, the wardrobe is similar to what I remember him wearing in that episode. -NJM __________________

03-01-2010, 10:55 AM	#11
feldon30 Forum Technician Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: SC Posts: 963	Chris, I noticed that right away, that it's being played in reverse. __________________

03-01-2010, 06:08 PM	#12
SherWash PQL Visitor Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oklahoma City, OK Posts: 24	Thanks. I'll look more carefully next time I watch that episode. __________________

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